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Re: Re: It's the End of SatCom as we know it ...
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Subject: Re: Re: It's the End of SatCom as we know it ...
From: Jack Epperson <jack.epperson@alphamediausa.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 15:30:56 -0500
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And then there is ATSC 3.0 which may also become a type of WISP akin to Satellite.
Details are still in play though ...

Jack Epperson
Chief Engineer
        Alpha Media- Aurora, Joliet IL
        Matrix Broadcasting- Crystal Lake IL

Old Engineers don't die, they Dielectric.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Michael Barnes <barnmichael@gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent article, Sherrod. Some thoughts about satellite delivery. First, satellite use technology has NOT been standing still. Yes, satellite use has been around for many years, but, today's satellite systems are a far cry from the early days of megahertz wide analog signals. We have a variety of compressed digitally multiplexed signals that are much less vulnerable to noise and other issues than before. We have narrower bandwidths and spot beam capabilities to get much more efficient use of available space segment.

For communications purposes, we still have three basic media available, copper, fiber optic, and RF. Fiber optic cable is relatively recent to the scene, but still, those three are it. It is how we utilize those that is the difference. We once had one slow speed analog signal per pair of copper wires, and now, through advances in technology, we have dozens of circuits on two pair of copper wires. I remember a small handful of circuits on a single fiber pair, now we have thousands. A single TV channel once occupied a full 36 MHz transponder on a satellite, now there are hundreds of channels on a given transponder.

The beauty of satellite is the minimal infrastructure requirements. This is one area which really concerned me in Sherrod's article. Aside from program distribution, news gathering is heavily dependent on satellite access. We have had some serious situations lately that severely taxed the local infrastructure. Super storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, etc. wreak havoc on the local communications infrastructure. You have the combined issues of physical damage to available towers and repeaters as well as system overload by much higher demands for service than the system can handle. Look at South Florida after last year's hurricanes. Cell towers and central offices all heavily damaged greatly reducing the capacity for telephone and Internet service, compounded by millions of customers calling into and out of the area trying to reach loved ones plus the hundreds of gigabytes of pictures posted to social media, makes for little chance for effective usage of the Internet via cell service for news gathering and streaming video. More recently, look at Redding, California. Thousands of acres destroyed by wildfires. Hundreds of buildings burned to the ground, many more damaged, and many cell and radio towers out of service. With the widespread devastation, it will be days if not weeks to restore service. Unlike a hurricane or tornado, where
 the threat is over within hours, with a wildfire, it may be days before it is safe to enter an area to restore service. News crews who are depending solely on their LiveU cameras and cell  service to file their stories are going to be out of luck. Satellite communications will be the only viable option in these situations.

There is talk by some in the industry of protecting existing satellite users from new 5G services. If satellite services were a static environment, there is a slight chance of some protection, but that is not really the case, especially for ENG/SNG operations. News events cannot be planned for. Stuff happens any place at any time.

Yes, sad times indeed for the broadcast industry. This is simply steps backward any way you look at it.


On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:38 PM, Tim Roberts <tim@kmocfm.com> wrote:
I detest the idea of relying only on internet for program delivery. If your internet goes down, then you're in a bit of a pickle. Our area recently experienced an internet outage that wasn't just one provider. From what I understand, someone dug into one of the major fiber lines between here and the metroplex. One of our local TV stations use's three ISP's, but when they all come through the same pipe, it doesn't really matter.
I experience regular issues obtaining the few programs we air that aren't available via the AMR-100 or the XDS which we have to download via FTP. I don't recall ever having a single issue with delivery through C-Band.


On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 1:03 PM, dave allen <crtech-mail@reyware.us> wrote:
yeah, ok, so it may make sense to embrace, or at least switch to, the "newer technologies" (but the internet is just as 'old' as C-band, no?), and the internet has a long way to go for reliability. we are still at the mercy of every bozo running a backhoe. we've several times had 'dual' feeds both wiped out because they really had a common path. and it can take days to splice things back together, and even then with a good portion of the wires crossed.

and the global warming folks are convinced that 10% of the internet hubs will be underwater by 2033.

yes, more broadcasting and used-to-be-satellite services are using the internet and cell service with good success. but it seems like it's always good to have options, and giving up C-band removes a huge option. leaving us with just one. the internet. C-band has 3 pieces: uplink, satellite, downlink. the internet has thousands (millions?) of pieces (most of which can be or have been hacked) and how many miles of wire, fibre, etc? hmm. which seems more reliable? the internet's "reliability" only comes thru duplicating, triplicating, quad.... etc.

maybe "the internet" is the savior, the future. but it comes at the expense of options, alternatives. sorry. in my mind a satellite will always be "higher" tech than the internet. and satellite is the only option where you don't have all those fibre and copper cables. we keep thinking everybody in the world (or even in this country) has about the same internet as we do in the big cities. far from it. Hughes Net seems to be doing ok, providing INTERNET via SATELLITE. hmmm.

dave allen

On 7/30/2018 10:54 AM, Sherrod Munday wrote:
On Jul 13, 2018, at 12:14, Sherrod Munday <smunday@ieee.org> wrote:
I posted my thoughts and comments below on LinkedIn.

As many of you have registered (or are still registering) your C-band downlinks — as my employer did earlier this year—, I’ve just posted a follow-up article regarding the whole concept of C-band and its use in broadcasting.

I’d be interested in your perspective about whether the proposed C-band change will really matter in retrospect, years from now.

References: It's the End of SatCom as we know it ...
(Sherrod Munday <smunday@ieee.org>, 13 Jul 2018 16:15:23 -0000)
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