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Re: Backup and system copies
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Subject: Re: Backup and system copies
From: Willie Barnett <wbradiolists@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:44:03 -0500
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From: JIm Turvaville [mailto:jimturbo61@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:11 PM
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Subject: [CRTech] Backup and system copies


Tom, Willie and many others have praised AOMEI Backupper software and I really felt like I was being amiss by not having a system backup to compliment my comprehensive data backup system.  I downloaded and installed their Free version 4.0.3 and made a clone of my system drive to an external USB drive.


​I think they reduced the capabilities of the newer versions. Try finding V3.2 and use that for the backup & restore. I found that V3.5 has an issue that crashes *HARD* (BSOD!) with backups bigger than 50Gigs.​

Still, the drive refuses to boot in a PC, a blue-screen error as soon as Windows tries to load. 


​Interestingly, I had an older spare machine that has a failing HD (it was clunking/chattering constantly, and Windows was pausing while it did)​ so I backed it up, then ran a "verify backup". It verified... but of course took longer, due to the drive constantly re-positioning the heads. I tried at least two different ways to get the clone drive (also identical!) to work, and tried an SSD. Neither would boot, no matter what... and this was in the SAME MACHINE. So, I gave up... and swiped the RAM and used the SSD in a slightly BETTER, old spare. That one worked.

I, too, keep clone images of all machines on two separate USB drives. Worst case scenario, a machine "drops dead", I've been able to get it back within an hour. :)

I've had excellent results with AOMEI before. However, I suspect that they realized they were making the free version TOO GOOD, and not enough people were buying the PAID versions! One of their paid versions is only $50, and lets you install it onto two machines. I think that's pretty reasonable, and will probably spring for it for my home use.

Until that ONE stubborn spare machine, tho, I have not had any problems getting a machine to "just work" from an AOMEI cloned drive. (Even with cloning to SSD's of very different geometries!)

HERE'S SOMETHING! I have found that the "universal restore" feature DOES NOT WORK! You may need to make sure that is turned off, before you restore.

Thinking it was a software issue, I bought a cloning dock - put the source HD and the destination HD in the dock and press "CLONE" and it makes a total sector-by-sector copy.  Again, exact same physical HD make, model and size.  The source PC and destination PC are both Dell Optiplex 780 machines (I have like a dozen of them) and the physical compliments are exactly alike.  Again, nothing but a blue-screen when Windows tries to load. 

​My experience with trying to get Windows ​(XP) to run on identical hardware, but different machines, is that it will come up, and warn you that you need to ACTIVATE it. I have a hunch that MS has pulled the plug on their activation servers, though.

Hello, Linux... (I'll say no more.)

I came to believe that Windows system files must read the s/n of the HD or the MB or something that makes it refuse to load when a drive is removed from one PC set of hardware and placed in another.

​I found a workaround (with XP) that I can change machines by bringing both the CPU and RAM over from the original into the new. That seems to "satisfy" Windows, and the machine just works.​ (Equivalent to replacing a motherboard.) Done that at least 3 or 4 times, now. :)


Jim "Turbo" Turvaville 

​Also, I'm not sure why I didn't see this ORIGINAL message, but I'm thankful that someone included the whole thing in a reply. :)

God bless!


References: Online Backup? Which one?
(Dave Land <dave@klvv.com>, 5 Mar 2018 03:54:09 -0000)
Re: Online Backup? Which one?
(Willie Barnett <wbradiolists@gmail.com>, 5 Mar 2018 16:03:05 -0000)
Re: Online Backup? Which one?
(Dave Land <dave@klvv.com>, 5 Mar 2018 16:11:37 -0000)
Re: Online Backup? Which one?
(Willie Barnett <wbradiolists@gmail.com>, 5 Mar 2018 16:24:07 -0000)
Re: Online Backup? Which one?
(Tom Van Gorkom <tomvangorkom@gmail.com>, 5 Mar 2018 17:12:40 -0000)
RE: Online Backup? Which one?
(Jesse Diller <jdiller@weec.org>, 5 Mar 2018 17:22:57 -0000)
Re: Online Backup? Which one?
(Dave Land <dave@klvv.com>, 5 Mar 2018 17:29:07 -0000)
RE: Online Backup? Which one?
(nathaniel.steele@icloud.com, 5 Mar 2018 17:34:26 -0000)
Re: Online Backup? Which one?
(JIm Turvaville <jimturbo61@yahoo.com>, 5 Mar 2018 19:14:30 -0000)
Re: Online Backup? Which one?
(Tom Bosscher <tom@bosscher.org>, 5 Mar 2018 19:49:32 -0000)
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