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Re: Online Backup? Which one?
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Subject: Re: Online Backup? Which one?
From: JIm Turvaville <jimturbo61@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 19:13:58 +0000 (UTC)
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Reply-to: JIm Turvaville <jimturbo61@yahoo.com>
OK everyone - the "cloud" is just someone else's computer - and if you have a cloud backup or a local NAS or USB drive backup, the schedule is what determines if you have a usable backup in case of data corruption. All you get with a Cloud service is their cool software to control the backup process - that's not hard to invest in yourself and never pay the monthly fees. 

Dave's problem would have been duplicated in the cloud if the backup schedule was the same as on his local backup drive, so there's no difference except if you lose your internet connection you can't access your backup files.  

Having files in the cloud is for home use or for people who are not savvy enough to manage a backup themselves - and NONE of they guys/gals on this list should think they fall in the latter category!!  There are a myriad of great backup software options out there, all of which are probably less than a month or two's cost of a cloud-based service. The hardware is equally affordable depending on your storage requirements, and it's in your control how that hardware is managed.  

Personally, I use Second Copy for my stations' computers and have a 2Tb NAS in the back room. It has mirrored drives so I have a pair of drives with all of the data, as well as the original machines. It runs every night between midnight and 3AM on staggered times, except for Saturday and Sunday night when no one is around and no files are changed anyway.  It can also keep a set number of copies of the backup, so if one is corrupt the one before that is also there. That setup cost me less than $400 over 3 years ago and has not failed one time and I'm not near full with my 2 commercial stations' needs. 

I had to go this route since 'broadband' is no available in my world - having 10Mb is top tier $200+/mo for me - and the idea of using that bandwidth for a backup that I can manage myself was a poor choice.  

As always, YMMV!
Jim "Turbo" Turvaville 
SBE Certified Radio Engineer 
Turbo Technical Services 
 PH: 719-459-1859 

From: "nathaniel.steele@icloud.com" <nathaniel.steele@icloud.com>
To: 'CRTech' <crtech@crtech.org>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: [CRTech] Online Backup? Which one?

Do you really need to backup every day? I would consider not backing up over the weekend if you cant verify the integrity of the data your backing up.
My worst case backup I lose nearly 2 months of data if the main studio burns to the ground the day before I cycle the backup drives. If that happens I have more problems than missing 2 months of data though….
From: Dave Land [mailto:dave@klvv.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:29 AM
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Subject: Re: [CRTech] Online Backup? Which one?
We have a external HDD backup but the backup software ran before we realized there was a problem and backed up bad files! If it had happened on a weekday we would have caught it running. It hit early on Sunday morning and ran most of the day before anyone noticed a problem! 
I'm looking at iDrive, anyone used that?
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Jesse Diller <jdiller@weec.org> wrote:
I’ll third it. I have a workstation with a connected external HDD that runs full backups on Friday night, and then does incremental backups the rest of the week.  It alternates as well, so I have at any one time, a full backup plus a week of incrementals for the current week and the previous week.
- Jesse Diller

IT Director, Strong Tower Christian Media
WEEC 100.7FM / WFCJ 93.7FM
From: Tom Van Gorkom [mailto:tomvangorkom@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 12:13 PM
To: CRTech
Subject: Re: [CRTech] Online Backup? Which one?
I second the external HD. That's what we do. I have one automation server backing to the other each night for redundancy and then plug in and run a script every so often for a disconnected third backup.

Tom Van Gorkom
Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
Office: 956-380-8150  
Cell: 865-803-7427
Rio Grande Bible Institute
4300 S US Hwy 281
Edinburg, TX 78539
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Willie Barnett <wbradiolists@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't imagine that you're creating (or replacing) THAT MUCH new content every week! :o
Your backup software SHOULD have an "incremental" backup option, which would only copy the files that were CHANGED since the last backup. That saves OODLES of time. :) (I have one of those running on some production machines.)
I do a weekly, supervised, manual backup of the audio files that have changed since the previous week. It's seldom more than 100 gigs, which backs up to NAS in less about 10~15 minutes. (Everything is uncompressed, CD quality WAV) This way, even if the worst-case scenario were to occur, my backups are completely safe, as they are on an unpowered device.
BTW, I've also seen 6+ hour backups, when copying an entire TB drive. I just start it, and walk away, checking up on it now and then. Having a spare "workhorse" computer in the shop is a very handy thing. :) Any machine from a 1Ghz P3 on up, is adequate.
You and your team will be in my prayers!

God bless!!
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Dave Land <dave@klvv.com> wrote:
Thanks Willie for your input...
We already do all that but it got our backups too because it hit on a weekend and the backups ran at night like they were supposed to. Nobody knew it was bad data getting backed up. A USB backup takes 23 hours! Our NAS takes about 6+ hrs for a full backup. 
Broadcast PCs are not on the same network. 

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