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RE: SSD failure modes
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Subject: RE: SSD failure modes
From: Jesse Diller <jdiller@weec.org>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:22:52 +0000
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Thread-topic: [CRTech] SSD failure modes



While Windows XP doesn’t provide support for TRIM, there are a number of software solutions that can use TRIM to optimize your SSD in XP.  For example, Piriform’s Defraggler: https://www.piriform.com/docs/defraggler/technical-information/defraggler-and-ssds


To Willie’s original question, I have also seen two SSDs fail now; both were of the "sudden, total, and without warning" type.  One was a cheap OCZ 60GB that I got on sale to replace the drive in an old laptop; the other was a Samsung (their base model, not the pro).  None of them had any visible problems, nor did they give any warning signs.   The cheapo drive was pretty full, but the Samsung was only 40% or so, I believe.


I have a bunch of Samsung 840/850 Pro SSDs in use; those have been absolutely solid; reviews and tests have showed the 840 Pro is a really solid drive.


- Jesse Diller

IT Director, Strong Tower Christian Media
WEEC 100.7FM / WFCJ 93.7FM


From: Gullikson, Brian F [mailto:bfgullikson@unwsp.edu]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 11:39 AM
To: CRTech
Subject: RE: [CRTech] SSD failure modes


Knowing Willie's propensity to still be using Windows XP, I would be concerned that the XP OS does not have any built-in functionality for the TRIM command set for SSD's.


TRIM helps to keep the NAND memory inside SSD's from wearing out prematurely.


As I recall, using modern SSD's with XP or older OS's requires you to somehow manually execute TRIM commands on the SSD from time to time to prevent premature failure… however, I wouldn't expect this type of failure to be abrupt, and total.  I would simply expect the worn out bits of NAND to stop being able to be written to.


So… no real solution here… just some comments from my brain…  I've not used a SSD with anything older than Windows 7, and have thusfar had amazing results over many years of constant use.





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From: Willie Barnett [mailto:wbradiolists@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 9:52 AM
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Subject: [CRTech] SSD failure modes


To the Braintrust:

I've now seen another "sudden, total, and without warning" failure of a new SSD. (Both in computers I have at home.)

When I say "No warning", I mean it was running one moment, then the next, BSOD! In both cases, the drive utterly "disappeared", and no attempt to access it works... USB external adapter, move to another machine, etc. It is utterly and completely DEAD!

How many others have seen this kind of dramatic and sudden death? Both drives in this scenario were 60 Gig, and were less than 30% full.

One of the drives, I took apart to see if perhaps a cap had exploded, or there was any sign of heat stress, etc... but no, it looked absolutely pristine.


Thankfully, I have backups! This kind of failure just bumps-up the urgency of making backups more often!




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