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RE: FM Translators
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From: Mike Shane <mshane@salemomaha.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 01:05:20 +0000
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Thread-topic: [CRTech] FM Translators

Pretty good results in Omaha, a place where I, too, thought we had too much RF for this to work.  There was a class A at the same general site that the TV stations and the big FM stations use that was not receivable, by me at least, on a Sony SRF-A100 AM Stereo/FM Stereo portable radio.  The FM front end on those is notoriously bad however.  Not up to Sony’s usual standards. 


So I didn’t think translators would make a dent and while I still have difficulties hearing anything on some on home/portable/table type radios, in-car radios are a way different story.  We have two translators, one 250 watts and another 60 watts at different sites, both “relaying” AM programming.  On one translator (250w) the signal is so good, we use it’s frequency first in positioning the station.  It far outperforms the AM which is severly challenged anyway.  On the 60 watt unit (400 ft.), it covers half of the city well, not so much the farther half but then as you travel further away into the next county it comes up again.  The AM it relays has a pretty big daytime signal but at night has less power than the translator!  (54w/60w)


We know of at least one individual who was reached, along with her family, for Christ by the 60-watter.  That one was supposed to be 110 watts on another frequency but we were beaten to that frequency by a hair’s breadth, so it wound up on a different frequency that put it right next to the local hip-hop station.  That’s what caused it to reach that individual.  We would not likely have reached her on the channel WE wanted, but God had other ideas.


Mike Shane

Salem Media Group Omaha


From: Tyger Elton [mailto:tyger@wilkinsradio.com]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:54 PM
To: CRTech
Subject: Re: [CRTech] FM Translators


I do believe the commission will shrink the area of coverage an FM can file a complaint on a translator. Right now there is no clear line but I do believe that will change.




Tyger Elton

Director, Corporate Station Operations

Corporate Engineer


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309 Smith Grove Road

Forest City, NC 28043

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-------- Original message --------

From: Jack Epperson <Jack.Epperson@alphamediausa.com>

Date: 12/15/17 3:44 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>

Subject: RE: [CRTech] FM Translators


That would be a political question. Understandably the AM folks think it is a lifeline for them and want it. However I know of very few successful implementations that have not had problems, especially here around the Great Lakes. There could be some, but we are way too populated in RF density for it to be a good thing in this region.

But when ATSC 3.0 becomes fully rolled out, it will become a moot point for many of us. That is the coming earthquake.



"Old engineers don’t die, they dielectric."



From: Cameron Beierle [mailto:manager@kacs.org]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 1:41 PM
To: 'CRTech'
Subject: RE: [CRTech] FM Translators



Do you think it likely that the FCC will change the long-standing rule that all translators are secondary signals, and therefore must not cause interference to primary full license signals?  Doesn’t seem that they will to me. Has been a principle ruling since translators began as I understand it.






From: Jack Epperson [mailto:Jack.Epperson@alphamediausa.com]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 11:04 AM
To: CRTech
Subject: RE: [CRTech] FM Translators


Con:  If there is any possibility of creating interference with an existing channel you could be chasing a wild goose.

Recent FCC ruling in North Carolina that just one unresolved complaint and they can make you turn it off. At least until the rules change.

We have a translator that is outside our 'protected' coverage at 90W and  27 miles away. Even though it says that this should work on paper, we still have a lot of listeners in that area that complain about interference from them. Their coverage is only a 6 mile diameter of staticky but listenable audio, then a 4 mile wide no-man’s land until our signal just gets steadily better as you move into our coverage area. Even at the far side of their signal you can still hear my channel better than theirs. Book says it work, but real life reality is challenged.



"Old engineers don’t die, they dielectric."



-----Original Message-----
From: KGBA Radio [mailto:kgbaradio@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 11:42 AM
To: crtech@crtech.org
Subject: [CRTech] FM Translators


Anyone have pro/con of having an FM Translator for an AM site? Seems like something to jump on if you have the opportunity.


Wondering in Southern California.

Michael Villero


100.1 FM / 1490 AM

El Centro, CA


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