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Re: Time to upgrade
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Subject: Re: Time to upgrade
From: JIm Turvaville <jimturbo61@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 13:26:27 +0000 (UTC)
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Reply-to: JIm Turvaville <jimturbo61@yahoo.com>

I was drug kicking and screaming away from our old reliable XP platform, and now have all of my station's machines as Win7 Pro.  Because of the quasi-monopoly between Microsoft and PC manufacturers, they legally can no longer sell you any new PC's with anything but Windows 10 installed.  To get Windows 7 on a machine it has to be refurbished hardware.  But that does not mean you can not soop it up and make a high class machine out of it. 

I stumbled across a source for Dell factory remanufactured machines (www.discountelectronics.com) and there are probably several other places to do the same.  But I was able to buy business class machines (most of them point of sale variety) with plenty of USB ports and a real onboard serial port for switchers, RDS, etc. I echo Dave's comment to avoid Win10 if at all possible - it's just not a platform that seems to be build for what we all use our computers.  Future versions of it might make that untrue, but for the foreseeable future I am using only Win7 Professional. And we all know that Win8 was a classroom experiment gone bad... 

I also know first hand that any 2.x version of BSI Simian will not run on any 64-bit OS, nor on Win7 or higher.  So be prepared to pay the $1k upgrade fee to them, which is probably not the biggest hurdle you will have in your upgrade process. 

Bet to you my friend!
Jim "Turbo" Turvaville 
SBE Certified Radio Engineer 
Turbo Technical Services 
 PH: 719-459-1859 

From: dave allen <crtech-mail@reyware.us>
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CRTech] Time to upgrade

there are also 'tricks' to stop updates in normal win10, tho they vary with each update. last i heard you could make it think you had a restricted-bandwidth internet (ie cellphone with data cap) and set the hours of use to zero. then you have to open it up to actually check for updates. but again that can change with new updates.

but win10 is more and more for your ordinary dufus, playing games and 'media'. i would go with win7 if possible. my source for that is refurbished desktops from Staples that come with win7pro. $200 or so is hard to beat and they (dell) just keep working.


On 7/3/2017 5:05 AM, Joel Force wrote:
In regards to Windows 10, if you get the Pro edition you can set it up to notify you of updates but you choose when to download them. That way you're in control. I have successfully used the following settings on several Windows 10 Pro machines.

Here are the directions:

1. Press the Windows key and type "group." Edit group policy should appear under the search list. Open it.

2. Click Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Configure Automatic Updates.

3. Under Configure Automatic Updates select "Enabled" and  "2 - Notify for download and notify for install." Apply the changes.

4. Now there's one more crucial step! For these settings to work go to Settings > Updates & security > Windows Update and click on "Check for updates."

Now when updates become available you will get a popup notification that you have updates to download. This has proven to be very helpful because I can choose when to download the updates. Once you begin the download, Windows takes over and you have to see it through. Remember, if you use these settings, make sure to still download the updates when you're able! You don't want your machine to be vulnerable to attacks. This way YOU decide when to go through the Windows Update process.

Joel Force
IT Coordinator

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Dan Harder <dan@am91.org> wrote:
I suppose 17 years is enough to get out of one of our automation computers. The boot drive one of our Dell 2450 computer died over the weekend.

So while this isn't truly mission critical, I'm going to use it as a test platform to build and probably end up sliding it into the main on air computer which is also 17 years old and running W2K. 

We use BSI Simian. 

We'll need 3 stereo in / 1 stereo out on the sound card. With that I'm presuming that ASI is the obvious choice. Or is it?

Also, gotta be Windows 7 or 10. It just has to so please don't bring up other OS. But, I'm concerned about Windows' propensity to update and reboot at in opportune times. Does anyone know how to control this irritating habit?

Obviously hard drives are going to be a huge step forward from the current SCSI storage. I'm leaning towards toward Samsung SSD for OS, and WD BLACK for storage. Recently, I've been seeing PCI-e SSD that are even faster than SATA SSD. Anyone know about the PCI-e drives?

What are issues you think about when upgrading? 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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