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Re: RE: FTP and 44.1
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Subject: Re: RE: FTP and 44.1
From: Kyle Dowden <kyle@kwfc.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 04:19:08 -0500
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I don't know if Box does this or not, but if you have programs coming in on Dropbox and another user deletes the files, you can restore them through the web access of the shared folder. Search the help on Dropbox to find out how. 

Kyle Dowden 
Program Director 
88.3 The Wind 
89.1 KWFC 

On Apr 7, 2017 2:07 AM, "Matthew Chambers" <mchambers@showmeham.info> wrote:
I'm running rivendell which by default  (and because my underlying JACK, Stereo Tool Audio Processing and Glasscoder stream encoder also run at) 48k, I don't have 44.1 until Glasscoder encodes for my Webstream. Several other stations I've worked at recently also used 48k as the house standard and if I remember correctly FLR/Intentional Living/ Life-One uses 48k for its internal audio Wheatnet network. I think it'll be more common sense that's the standard in the TV world and at least on the commercial side of radio,  there's a lot more sharing between the TV and radio networks and stations.

Matthew Chambers, CBT, NR0Q

On Apr 7, 2017 1:39 AM, "Michael Barnes" <barnmichael@gmail.com> wrote:
Everything in SRN automation is 48k wav files. Content received from outside of SRN comes in everything from soup to nuts and is converted when ingested into automation. Spots take various routes from the originator to the FTP and are often in their original format. Recorded material, like SRN News, is converted to mp3 for posting to the FTP.

At least that's the way is was when I was there.


On Apr 6, 2017 15:11, "Tom Tradup" <TTradup@srnradio.com> wrote:

Very diplomatic. And gracious.


If Rex Tillerson doesn’t work out, I would like to go ahead and nominate Jim Sanders as our next Secretary of State.



V.P./News & Talk Programming

SALEM Radio Network™

6400 North Beltline Road, Suite 210

Irving, TX 75063

Direct line: (972) 707-6885

E-mail: ttradup@srnradio.com



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From: Jim Sanders [mailto:JSanders@AmbassadorAdvertising.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 4:38 PM
To: CRTech <crtech@crtech.org>
Subject: [CRTech] RE: FTP and 44.1


Mark –


A very good point, and of course you’re right.  We would all be happier with a common standard. 


If I may come to SRN’s defense in a small way, they, like Amb-OS, push through a bunch of content from a wide range of users.  Each of those ministries started with their own preferred internal production routines, uses, naming conventions, encoding rates and sampling frequency, etc.  At some point, they then they look for means of distribution, satellite and/or FTP.  Satellite delivery flattens the playing field since we’re all using 48/MP2 streams and therefore files which are largely 192kHz/48.  However, FTP is still the wild west in format and naming convention.


Then on the receive side, we have stations asking for files in a wide variety of formats: MP2, MP3, WAV just to name three.  There have been many a thread exploring the advantages and disadvantages of each.  However, as automation systems mature, the MP2 compromise seems to be, if any, a defacto standard.  (I think that’s true, unless of course it’s not.  J)


We are sensitive to transcoding issues and have done far more experimentation on that front than we probably should have.  So, if a ministry asks us to host an MP3 on FTP for example, we’ll generally leave it that way so that the station can best choose the destination file format.


My $.02 which will happily go toward agreement on a convention!




From: EdRadio Knutson [mailto:edradio@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:51 PM
To: CRTech
Subject: [CRTech] Re: FTP and 44.1


I agree on this end at KKVV Christian Talk Radio in Las Vegas.

SRN seems to send their spots in many different formats on the ftp.

I would think that them being one of the largest Christian Networks, they would be consistent on sample and bit rate.


From: Mark Murdock <mark@celebrationradio.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 10:11:27 AM
To: CRTech
Subject: [CRTech] FTP and 44.1


I don’t know how many program producers and distributors are here, but I have a request. If you’re not distributed through Amb-OS, can we please use FTP for distribution and standardize on a sampling rate of 44.1 KHz? I’ve got one program provider that is now using BOX for distribution and running into problems because if one user deletes files in their local BOX folder once they’ve copied them or produced them, it deletes the files for the master online BOX folder. Some producers are using Dropbox to share files, which means downloading a zip file of an entire folder or downloading things one by one, which is time-consuming. I just finished producing some Easter PSAs from the Ambassador Easter “Tool Kit” which was on Dropbox, and there was a mixture of mp3 files, 44.1 wav files and 48k wav files. The mp3s I have to convert to 44.1 wav files, which I’m used to, but the 48k files have to be resampled to 44.1 because our old Scott Studios system does not like 48k files. Can’t you all just adapt yourselves to make things easier for me?! :D


Mark Murdock

Production Director


90 E. 16th St.

Merced, CA 95340

(209) 723-1015




References: FTP and 44.1
(Mark Murdock <mark@celebrationradio.com>, 6 Apr 2017 17:11:38 -0000)
Re: FTP and 44.1
(EdRadio Knutson <edradio@hotmail.com>, 6 Apr 2017 19:51:16 -0000)
RE: FTP and 44.1
(Jim Sanders <JSanders@AmbassadorAdvertising.com>, 6 Apr 2017 21:37:52 -0000)
RE: FTP and 44.1
(Tom Tradup <TTradup@srnradio.com>, 6 Apr 2017 22:11:32 -0000)
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