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It was unusually windy here this past spring and summer - so maybe it was j=
ust a one time thing. My gut is telling me to treat the vibration issue any=
FWIW our previous tower used stranded wire for the ground and over almost 3=
0 years I had no breaks in the ground connections.

Thanks again


On Fri, 11/22/13, John E. Beck <jbeck@bottradionetwork.com> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [CRTech] Vibration damper for guy wires?
 To: "'CRTech'" <crtech@crtech.org>
 Date: Friday, November 22, 2013, 4:53 PM
 Just a thought...WHY are the ground
 wires breaking?
 If this is metal fatigue due to the ground wire flexing or
 if not enough
 wire length was left, that's one thing.=A0 But I wonder
 if this could be a
 symptom of a more serious problem...i.e.: galloping guy
 wires.=A0 We have had
 two instances of this issue within our network.=A0 One
 was on a 500 ft. stick
 that occurred before I joined the company.=A0 The second
 was on a 1,000 ft.
 tower where we started to encounter broken grounding wires
 on one set of
 guys.=A0 We came to the conclusion that when the wind was
 out of a certain
 direction at a certain speed, the guy wires on one leg
 started to oscillate.
 We learned there were two types of oscillation - low and
 high frequency.
 The cure is different for each.=A0 We were able to
 resolve our problem by
 installing Dogbone Vibration Dampers made by Dulmison.=A0
 There are more
 extensive (and expensive) solutions available for more
 serious problems.
 One thing that gave me the creeps was that the galloping
 action had caused
 an anchor pin to begin creeping out of the equalizer
 plate.=A0 I would hate to
 see you resolve the issue of grounding wires breaking
 (masking a symptom)
 while not solving the real cause.
 John E. Beck
 Bott Radio Network
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Ron Huckeby [mailto:mtradioengineer@yahoo.com]
 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:23 PM
 To: 'CRTech'
 Subject: RE: [CRTech] Vibration damper for guy wires?
 I would think that stranded ground wire might be an answer.
 The grounds on a
 450' tower are 4/0 stranded copper and have been there for
 10 years without
 failure. Another option might be welding cable with its fine
 stranded wire
 which is made to flex.
 Just my 2 cents worth.
 Ron Huckeby
 Broadcast Engineer
 Butte, Montana
 -----Original Message-----
 From: John Stortz [mailto:ka4flx@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:25 PM
 To: CRTech
 Subject: Re: [CRTech] Vibration damper for guy wires?
 I had this trouble. I originally thought it was caused by
 either the mowing
 machine or cattle roaming in the field in the dark. So we
 fenced the area
 around each guy anchor. The wires continued to break in
 about 6 months.
 Our problem site is in Central Florida, where the wind blows
 almost all the
 time. Watch the copper ground wire carefully. You may notice
 the ground wire
 itself is moving in the wind. I bought some lengths of 1/2"
 PVC pipe & tied
 the ground wire to the PVC, all the way from earth to the
 lowest guy cable,
 with UV-resistant tie wraps.=A0 The top of the PVC is
 also attached to the guy
 cable. All the ground cables have remained intact for at
 least 4 years, now,
 although the cable ties don't last that long.
 The dampers might help but PVC would be cheaper, I suspect.
 Be sure the PVC
 is tied to the guy cables as well as the ground wire.
 John S.
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Bruce Christopherson
 > Braintrust,
 > Our 2 year old 649' tower's outer guy wires are moving
 enough in the=20
 > wind to stress and break the ground wire's where they
 attach to the=20
 > guy's.=A0 All three outer guy points had multiple
 > I am thinking Stockbridge dampers might help - But I
 don't know much=20
 > about them.=A0 Can any one here offer opinions or
 experience with these=20
 > or have another solution? Also - Sources/Prices etc?
 > Thanks!
 > Bruce
 > Northern Minnesota
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